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Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:30 am
by Timbo
I think the media have been too quick to criticise Faldo rather than praise the US who so far have played superbly. The media were very critical of him picking Poulter but he's arguably been Europes best player. Its not as if either captain can control the form of their players (I thought Westwood was very ordinary yesterday).

With so many matches being tight the difference between the current score and Europe leading is a matter of a few shots. I think I'm right in saying that the Garcia/Casey vs Curtis/Stricker fourballs match had 16 halved holes. There seems to be a lot more matches going down the 18th than normal.

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:59 am
by bolix
Sky Blue Strawberry wrote:Bolix has gone all soppy :D


Not atfookinall you dozy bugga! :lol: When compared with the spoiled antics of professional football players ....for instance....think you have to hand it to the Ryder Cup....it has it all and then some [smilie=icon_emoticonthumb.gif] [smilie=icon_sport16.gif] [smilie=icon_thumbup.gif] :clap:

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:19 pm
by Roger Mellie
Fucked it

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:24 pm
by Sky Blue Strawberry
Roger Mellie wrote:Fucked it


Looks all over to me, :( think the last 3 matches might be irrelevant

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:32 pm
by dog rout 21
oh well eh

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:56 pm
by Sky Blue Strawberry
I'm no golfing expert but I thought Faldo got the order wrong today and needed to send his big players out first to get some scores on the board early on

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:01 pm
by Timbo
Big players like Garcia? I'm not sure it would have made much difference what order they were sent out in. It sounds like Harrington is having a fairly rotten round today. On the commentary they pointed out that had Wilson played Campbell (who is about to beat Harrington) he would have been 4 up after 9 holes but unfortunately was up against an inspired Weekley and was 3 down.

Some of the yanks played out of their skin. To win we really needed the likes of Garcia, Westwood and Harrington to have been at their best but they were some way short of that. The biggest difference though was probably the home advantage. Azinger seemed to make the course set up more like an easier low scoring PGA tournament rather than the ones you see in the majors.

Trying to look for some positives in defeat its probably good for the competition that Europes dominance has been ended.

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:06 pm
by Sky Blue Strawberry
Apparently Garcia has a terrible record in the singles in the Ryder cup. I'm not sure it would have made too much of a difference -i just thought a few early wins might get some momentum going. Agree that USA played well above expectations

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:11 pm
by bolix
Sky Blue Strawberry wrote:I'm no golfing expert but I thought Faldo got the order wrong today and needed to send his big players out first to get some scores on the board early on

That's what everyone is saying (even the experts :lol: ) but agree with Timbo don't think it would have altered the result tbh.
Timbo is also right: an end to European domination is good.
Good to see some blue collar characters on the American tour.....
;-)
Ultimately another excellent few days with those Yanks holing the clutch putts. :clap:
Let's all feel sorry for Lloydy. :lol:

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:13 pm
by Timbo
But if you look at the top order we only lost one match and that was Kim to one of our big names. The problem was the middle order and I don't think it would have mattered who played Weekley or Perry with the number of birdies they were making. We didn't have anyone in that kind of form.

I thought the Casey match was crucial though. When Mahan holed that put on the 17th I knew it was in the stars that the US were going to win.

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:13 pm
by Sky Blue Strawberry
Creep [smilie=icon_mrhappy.gif]

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:31 pm
by Timbo
The trouble is these pundits (in whichever sport) have to earn their money by dissecting where it all went wrong. Theres no mileage in looking at the positives. They feel the need to find fault in the loser rather than praise the winner. Its so much easier trying to analyse what went wrong than what went right. Much of the time these pundits end up contradicting themselves and if you looked back at some of the comments they make months later they were so wrong its laughable... but of course no one remembers because in the age of 24/7 sports news no one remembers the rubbish these 'experts' (many of whom are journalists with no experience on what they are commenting on) spout for very long.

Of course sometimes finding fault is justified but I don't think it is in this case. I'm not particularly a fan of Faldo as a person but I don't agree with some of the flak aimed in his direction. Its a case of blame for blames sake.

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:33 pm
by Lloydy
Fuck! Fuck fuckety fuck fuck fuck!

Well thanks a lot fellas, you've really put me up shit creek now. I'm gonna get slaughtered at work tomorrow, plus i now owe money to several smug yank ****!

Wetswood, Garcia and Harrington all winless, would never of thought that would happen. I'm sure they all had excuses but i couldnt give a shit. And as for new shoes, ffs wear em in a few weeks earlier, it aint rocket science.

I hardly saw any of it live as i have been working 14hr days getting ready for our tournament, but did manage to see the last 30 mins, wish i 'd of stayed out working tbh.

I was delighted for Poulter mind, he stepped up big this weekend. The yanks really dont like him at all for those Tiger comments, but i love it, bit of arrogance is fine by me especially if you can back it up. Rose was solid as i thought he would be, still can't get over how poor Westwood, Garcia and Harrington were. Good to see Wilson play in his first of hopefully many Ryder cups.

It didnt seem like we had a go-to-guy like in the last few cups. No-one to rally the team around. No-one really took control as the likes of Garcia, Monty, Clarke etc have done in the past, i dunno, we just didnt seem as much as a team as we have done for the last few years, cant put my finger on it, maybe it has something to do with Faldo. Plus i dont personally feel Faldo put everything he could into it. Azinger was all over the country watching guys all year, seeing them play 'in the flesh', talking to them. Faldo was off doing his tv work. I can remember in one event he was commenting on a putt by Casey, before Casey hit it he says 'if he makes this i'll pick him for the ryder cup!' Casey rolls in the 15 footer, Faldo goes 'nah only joking, didnt mean it'. That pissed me off a little, came across like he was to jokey about it. Plus in all of his interviews he was pretty smug, loving being captain cos of all the attention he gets, that didnt sit well with me either.

That said the Yanks played some excellent golf in a real pressure situation, they needed to win badly, loads of guys out here have completely lost interest in it. Anthony Kim is gonna be some player, seen a lot of him and he looks like a real prospect. Boo Weekly was excellent, he was a real crowd favourite and seemed like the guy the us team rallied around as he got the crwod going, everyone else joined in. Playing in America with this lineup really helped them, especially all of the rookies getting to play their first ryder cup at home.

Oh well, we'll just have to win it back next time. Am i right in saying its at Celtic Manor in Wales?

Also, does anyone know how the captain gets chosen?? My roomate asked and i didnt have a clue :oops:

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:54 pm
by bolix
Lloydy wrote:

It didnt seem like we had a go-to-guy like in the last few cups. No-one to rally the team around. No-one really took control as the likes of Garcia, Monty, Clarke etc have done in the past, i dunno, we just didnt seem as much as a team as we have done for the last few years, cant put my finger on it, maybe it has something to do with Faldo. P


Faldo has always done things his way....he's a bit of a loner really....certainly lacks the get up and go passion of a Seve or Woosie. Have a great deal of respect for him as a golfer but he still looks and sounds ridiculously ill at ease with the press. [hmmm.gif] Ultimately I think Faldo was right to drop Westwood and Garcia but should have been handled better.
Lloydy I think the PGA choose the captain. Woosie should do it again in Wales.

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:46 pm
by Timbo
You could do everything right as a captain and still come up short. In the end the biggest factor is the form of the individual players. Only 3 of our players had a winning record (Poulter, Rose and McDowell) whilst Harringtons record was the worst of all 24 players!

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:00 am
by bolix
Timbo wrote:You could do everything right as a captain and still come up short. In the end the biggest factor is the form of the individual players.


Timbo's specialist subject: "The bleedin' obvious"

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:03 am
by billythefish
Is that Boo Weekley guy a City fan?

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:13 am
by Roger Mellie
He's a fat redneck yank ****.

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:26 am
by plastic scouser
The only comfort I can take from this Ryder cup defeat is that atleast nearly all the USA team will die prematurely of heart-disease.

Fat ****.


(& to think I turned down the job of speech-writer for Faldo,....ahh well)

Re: Ryder cup

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:09 am
by the boss
can't understand how Weekly and Holmes played yesterday :roll: Surely there had to be a lynching somewhere :lol: :lol: